Slow? on what your P2? Linux people need to get with the “now” and not continue to cry about their 15 year old computers running modern apps slow. I use all those mono apps. They work fine and sometimes better then the out dated stuff that’s hanging around. What makes any software better then another? Compatibility! Stop whining and start working together. If you don’t like something, make something better. Shhesh

15 year old computers? That would be Pentium the original timeframe.

Almost everyone who I know who runs Linux of any type, runs it on new hardware, for example I’m running it on a Core 2 Duo. And yes, Mono does run slower than software which uses C and C++. That happens when you are running a JIT compiler. It’s the nature of the beast.

The big issue as far as I’m concerned is that I migrated away from Windows so that I wouldn’t have to put up with Microsoft’s incompetence anymore, and now I find that some goof is trying to migrate a Microsoft programming language to Linux! Pardon me, but this doesn’t seem to be a good idea to me.

I think you’ve made a good point! I found those apps (the ones you mentioned, and some others, rather slow), but more importantly, your suggestion that “alternatives” shouldn’t die; more variety almost always produces more innovative, usable and efficient applications (in my opinion).

But: the Mono software currently promoted (i.e. F-Spot and Banshee) is bad compared to existing software. Don’t forget this! F-Spot is crashing and Banshee is unbearable slow with a real world music archive. Gnome-Do is quite good (but the Avant window navigator is too).

What I what to say is: don’t let the alternatives die and Distro should watch for the performance of their shipped default software. Not everybody gots a DualCore 3+ GHz machine and not everybody wants to!

A couple of months ago, when I heard rumours about a possible replacement for Rhythmbox, I decided to give Banshee a try. I must admit that at first I liked it, the way it was thought, its features, its polished GUI, the development promises behind it, etc. It had anything I actually wanted, and didn’t crash at all. But so did RB, anyway. However, in the meantime I also had the time to try other applications, like F-Spot, Tomboy. After more than one month I had become accustomed to it all. Then I bumped into a couple of exchanges which introduced me to this “MONO/anti-MONO war”. Nostalgically, today I decided to play some music in my good old RB: as soon as I hit the play button, the song started at once. Isn’t it silly that such a trivial fact surprised me at all? This brought me back to last year, and to the reason why I decided to ditch Windows: Linux did exactly what I told it to do, while Windows was whimsical and had me wait for it to complete whatever it was secretly doing in the background. Now, when I found extraordinary the fact that I told RB to play music and it did it instantaneously, I realised that Banshee took all the time it wanted to do the same – sometimes up to 6-7 seconds. And the same was when scrolling albums, opening menus, searching for songs (especially – while RB takes less than 1 sec!), and everything else – starting and quitting included. RB is as fast as light, which is really what I expect from my music player – and my OS as a whole. I don’t want my OS that tells me to wait, and makes me do what it wants: those were Window$ times. Now I uninstalled Banshee, F-Spot and Tomboy, and got back to use RB and Gnote (I didn’t really use a photo manager before, I only wanted to try one out, so I won’t miss it). And now I have my Ubuntu back: light apps, quick response, extraordinary performance. Here is the point, from a simple user: I must have a computer that does what I want, when it begins to be the other way around either something is wrong, or there must be Bill somewhere around (or both – watch out =)!). And I can swear that if Ubuntu is going to give me that distorted low-performance experience I will ditch it the very same day. No doubts about it!

In a distribution which is trying to reach the 10-secs boot-time goal I don’t think such delays are exactly what Canonical is expecting, and what its end-users would find acceptable. This is why, in my humble view, MONO will not find ample space in Ubuntu in the future. Conversely, it will not find me around anymore =), but that’s not as important… or is it?

Microsoft issues patent promise, dispels Mono legal concerns

Microsoft has announced that it will apply the Community Promise to ECMA standards 334 and 335, the specifications that describe the C# programming language and .NET Common Language Infrastructure. This means that Microsoft is providing a legally binding guarantee that it will not enforce its patents against Mono and other third-party implementations of the standards.

from http://arstechnica.com/microso.....ncerns.ars

1) Are ECMA standards allowed to be patent encumbered? Yes.

2) Are there patents covering the C# standard? Yes.

3) Can you get a license to cover those patents? Several people have tried and been unable to.

4) Can you safely use the standard without a patent license? Not in my opinion, but check with your lawyer.

5) Is C# really superior? No. It’s just another programming language.

So why all the excitement about Mono? It’s a poor man’s imitation (limited functionality), of a failed programming system (better uptake than Quick Pascal, but that’s not saying much), designed by a failed software company (read their SEC filings before you reply).

And that’s what has me suspicious of Mono. It doesn’t seem to offer any compelling features, so why are people pushing it so hard? The only answer I’ve been able to come up with is that there are ulterior motives behind the push for Mono, and I don’t trust ulterior motives. Unless they are mine.

I know this is off topic, but check this out, looks like Linux is the first to support USB 3.0? I caught this tweeted URL in my twitter stream: http://www.linuxdevices.com/ne.....35015.html

I am not sure what point you are really trying to make however. None of that seems to have any relevance to shipping Mono in Ubuntu, which was the original discussion.

The fact that it was implemented in way B from Microsofts A really doesn’t mean much as the design is there. What is to gather here?

MySpace was evaluating Mono w/ Linux for a year and a half. You know what happened to that effort? It was dropped as soon as MS dropped their prices. Just like that.

One last thing I forgot to say. I did mention before that its *harder* to leak memory in C#, not impossible… I don’t know why you think I said it was a cure all. I certainly did not sell it as such, however I will bet dollars to donuts a 101 C programmer leaks more memory than a 101 C# programmer. (maybe 201′s are needed to really get out of the stack?)

And to clear up something before, this does not on its own make C# a better language by any stretch of the imagination. I think the programmers and the community largely will determine the success of a language and the actual merits tend to take a second place.